Twenty-three years after declaring that “this world is bulls***,” Fiona Apple has similar words for the Grammys.

In an interview with The Guardian, the “Criminal” singer called out the Grammys for nominating producer Dr. Luke, who produced Doja Cat‘s Record of the Year nominee “Say So” under his Tyson Trax pseudonym, after having Kesha perform her song “Praying” at the 2018 ceremony.

Kesha previously accused Dr. Luke of sexual and emotional abuse, and “Praying” is believed to be about the producer. Dr. Luke — born Lukasz Gottwald — has denied all allegations, and has sued Kesha for defamation and breach of contract.

Speaking about her nomination in the Best Rock Performance category — which, for the first time, is made up of entirely female-fronted acts — Apple tells The Guardian she was initially enthusiastic. She even made a t-shirt listing all of the nominees names to post on her Tumblr fan site, but then she “threw it away.”

“I felt like this is exactly what they want me to do,” Apple says. “‘It’s better now! I got nominated! And it’s all women this year and the Grammys are great!'”

“I keep going back to them putting Kesha on stage like, ‘We believe you’ — and I believe her,” she continues. “Then two years later, f***ing Tyson Trax.”

Referencing her infamous MTV VMA speech, Apple adds, “Not to go back to that word, but it’s bulls***.”

Contemplating what she would do if she won, Apple says she has a “vision” of taking the stage with a sledgehammer.

“I would take the Grammy and smash it into enough pieces to share and I would invite all the ladies up,” she says. “My second thought was I wonder if I can get all these ladies to boycott this s*** because of Dr. Luke.”

By Josh Johnson
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